Will trump end Obamacare in 2017?

@dutchmason02 the problem is 'Obamacare' was really just a shortform for the Affordable Care Act, there is no legal definition of Obamacare, nor Trumpcare. The intent as we understand it was whether or not the ACA could be repealed or changed to a substantial degree whereby the initial ACA as enacted by 'Obama' would be no more. That hasn't happened yet.

@Avalon I’m sorry but I respectfully disagree here. The wording specifically says Obamacare. Many major publications have said Obamacare no longer exist, or simply refer to it as Trumpcare now. If it said the Affordable Care Act, that would be different. However, it does not. And the use of Trumpcare is clearly a renaming in the eyes of many media, pundits, etc.

@lonewolf13 - in the future, do not simply use 'publications' as a source. They all write different things every day. We ourselves have found the same source posting 'Obamacare has ended' and 'Obamacare still alive' on multiple occasions.

Finally, we urge those interested to follow the repeal attempts and what is needed to properly replace or end Obamacare.. You can begin your research here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patient_Protection_and_Affordable_Care_Act#Repeal_efforts

The intent of the proposition is whether Trump will 'end' Obamacare, which he has not. The new tax bill repealed the requirement that all Americans carry health insurance, however, that does not 'end' Obamacare and it is still written in law today. The host did post vague determination criteria, however, it can be interpreted both positively and negatively. Just because medium.com writes 'nuclear war is imminent', does not mean it is in fact, imminent.

Obamacare was not ended, nobody announced it nor it changed name.

Based on the wording, this should be resolved as ‘yes.’ Agree with some of the facts posted, but unfortunately that’s not how the proposition was worse. If it was ‘will the Affordable Care Act’ be repealed entirely, that would be different.

Trump has not signed the tax bill into law. Even if it is true that the new tax cut would degrade some aspect of "Obama Care," it has not yet affected Obama Care as of the closing of the bet, IMO.

-All major news outlets listed in resolution say that ACA "Obamacare" is still alive -The official name has not change from ACA -Not all marquees that compromise the program were dismantleted

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/federal_government/ap-fact-check-trump-says-obamacare-is-repealed-it-isnt/2017/12/20/90012708-e5bb-11e7-927a-e72eac1e73b6_story.html?utm_term=.0d95a5bd27ea http://edition.cnn.com/2017/12/20/politics/donald-trump-thinks-he-tricked-everyone-into-repealing-obamacare/index.html https://www.nytimes.com/aponline/2017/12/20/us/politics/ap-us-taxes-fact-check.html

Quote from Bloomberg article: "Removing the individual mandate doesn’t undo other essential elements of Obamacare. The law still requires insurers to sell policies to sick people at the same prices as healthy people..."

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-20/trump-says-republican-tax-bill-essentially-repeals-obamacare

It's obvious Obamacare has NOT ended. If you remember John Mccain killed the skinny health bill (that would have replaced Obamacare) in July by voting against it. Nothing else have been voted on regarding healthcare since then. The tax penalty being eliminated as part of the tax bill does not end Obamacare by itself. Even Obama has encouraged people to get insurance in the marketplace (I personally wish he would not speak out like he does).

@Avalon I have a stake in this, but frankly, in retrospect, the bet is just too vague and probably should have been voided.

https://www.legalconsumer.com/obamacare/welcome.php Select any state "The Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare, has not been repealed. You are still required to comply with the ACA and you are still entitled to its benefits."

@sanko I agree, that is the logical conclusion based on the wording.

@dutchmason02, agree. As per decision logic this should be resolved as yes.

@pelican95 perhaps colloquially, but it certainly isn’t the same thing anymore. Obamacare no longer exists.

@dutchmason02, it's still called obamacare by the vast majority of people, on the left and right.

@pelican95 exactly my point. Doesn’t exist. Is’ Trumpcare’ now.

@dutchmason02, yeah, the host really shouldn't have included the 'or the renaming of the program', since its not called Obamacare officially; it's the Affordable Care Act

‘Any major news outlet’ https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republican-changes-obamacare-trumpcare_us_5a2aecece4b069ec48ad2337 https://tonic.vice.com/en_us/article/jm5bnk/how-the-death-of-obamacare-affects-those-who-arent-on-it

@dutchmason02, can you link to a Wapo, NYT, or CNN article which affirms the end of obamacare?

How will this be decided, given numerous media outlets have proclaimed it to be dead, or now Trumpcare?

What happens if Obamacare stays largely in place, only very few addition/changes are being made?

The decision logic does is not that clear. It states that during 2017, a "major news outlet" must report the end or the renaming of the program. It is possible a news outlet will report in 2017 that the program will end in 2018 or later.

Yes I know the official name is "Affordable Care Act". But even if some points are kept and the name along with some features is changed to "New Care Act". It already means replacing current legislation.

"Obamacare" is just the informal label used by the press and the public. The official name was never Obamacare. It's meaningless to talk about Trump renaming Obamacare, as he has no authority to change the name used by the press and the public. He can change the name of the "Affordable Care Act" with the consent of Congress, but that is not the same as renaming "Obamacare". Poor bet.

The logic(and title) clearly states it must be repealed(or officially renamed) in 2017.

How would this bet resolve if Trump announces in 2017 that Obamacare will end in 2018?